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Post by Dontremb on Jun 19, 2013 5:14:26 GMT -5
This will sort of be like a sneak peak for Phase 2, with tech.
So in this thread, feel free to brainstorm about new items.
At the very least, we need a way to get the ore out of the ore blocks.
I want to prevent just furnacing iron/gold ore blocks to get ingots.
Let's be creative about this guys. We want there to be an interesting, and unique process, that SORT of mirrors real life, but we don't want it to be tedious or boring for the players.
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Post by willeze on Jun 19, 2013 6:14:46 GMT -5
Firstly i think we should add as few "machines" as possible so as you have said we wouldn't turn into something like Technic or Tekkit.
2nd i think ores and metals should be processed in multiple phases, for example
+Get the ore block by breaking the ore block.
+An user will have a custom tool used to remove all the stone in the ore block and turn it into metal dust or pieces (there would be an overlay when using the item that show how much percentage the 1st processing has gone through)
+(Optional) another user having another kind of tool will compress the dust/pieces into metal/ore clump, add another overlay here
+And finally smelt it into the final iron/gold/diamond/redstone/lapis/glowstone
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Post by Dontremb on Jun 19, 2013 6:20:17 GMT -5
As for 'machines' I'm using that term very loosely. I don't really want any machines, what I meant is things like forge, bellows, quenching bucket, stuff like that.
Also, I am with you on the idea of what you suggested, but I would like it to try to mirror more closely how people actually process ore and gems.
I'll do some research today, to see if we can all agree on a process for each of these minerals that seems realistic, while still being fun. (Also, remember that it will be very simple in Phase 1. In Phase 2 is where we will add many steps.)
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Post by willeze on Jun 19, 2013 7:06:50 GMT -5
alright  |
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Post by Dontremb on Jun 19, 2013 8:28:03 GMT -5
Ok, so, a little research shows that it is super, crazy complicated. We will get into that in phase 2. I had a couple of ideas of things we could do that would make it interesting in phase 1, but still resemble real life.
So, with the metal ores: iron and gold, we should make some kind of new tool, like a hammer. Using the hammer on the ore block crushes it up into pure ore. Pure ore put into a ceramic (clay bowl), then cooked to make the ingot.
Diamond, lapis, and redstone start the same way, by crushing with a hammer, but then has to be put into a screen, and used in water to separate the rock from the mineral.
(We could also do the screen for the metals, too, actually.)
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Post by willeze on Jun 21, 2013 19:40:56 GMT -5
So in the end, how would ores be processed?
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Post by Dontremb on Jun 21, 2013 19:58:58 GMT -5
Ok, so, for phase 1, I was thinking this:
1) Get ore
2) Put ore on table and smash it with a hammer
3) Pick out the bits of ore from the bits of stone
4) Put all the leftovers into a screen, and use water separation to wash away the stone.
5) Put bits of ore into a clay bowl.
6) Put bowl into forge.
7) Pump bellows to get forge hot enough.
8) Use tongs to pull out clay bowl.
9) Use dousing bucket to temper and cool ingot.
10) Competed iron ingot!
That will work for all metals.
redstone, coal, lapis, and diamonds I think would be slightly different. You take the ore, and use say, a chisel? in a crafting table, and get the completed item.
Anyone else have any other suggestions? Remember, this is a sneak peak of what it will be like for phase 2, so don't get crazy. We'll have plenty opportunity to make it more complicated then.
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Post by killwithkostja on Jun 28, 2013 5:45:02 GMT -5
"2) Put ore on table and smash it with a hammer"
we could use a device called "crusher" or something like this.
so you get the ore pieces and trash (Ore trash).
if you use "ore trash" and a bucket of water in a workbench you can seperate the ore pieces and the dirt/trash.
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Post by Dontremb on Jun 28, 2013 7:09:15 GMT -5
Well, we don't want to use any machines. How would you propose the crusher device work?
But anyway, Will had a great idea where the table would be like a sort of crafting table, and when you put the ore in it, it showed up on the top. Then, you use the hammer and 'mine' it, into chunks.
As for the water separation, that will definitely be in phase 2, but we don't want to get it too complicated in phase 1, this is just for a taste of what will come in phase 2.
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Post by killwithkostja on Jun 28, 2013 7:26:05 GMT -5
Well, we don't want to use any machines. How would you propose the crusher device work? But anyway, Will had a great idea where the table would be like a sort of crafting table, and when you put the ore in it, it showed up on the top. Then, you use the hammer and 'mine' it, into chunks. As for the water separation, that will definitely be in phase 2, but we don't want to get it too complicated in phase 1, this is just for a taste of what will come in phase 2. ok. so we dont want a maschine. Do you know pixelmon mod for minecraft ? they added a anvil where you can put special things on. than you have to hit that anvil with a hammer and it changes! we could use something simmilar.  this would be a perfect solution for this part. edit : 1) Get ore 2) Put ore on anvil and smash it with a hammer (you get [iron]Ore trash 3) Pick out the bits of ore from the bits of stone (maybe with water ?!) 4) use oven to heat pieces.Pump bellows to get forge hot enough. 5) Put bits of ore on anvil. hit it with hammer again till its one piece of iron. 6) put one piece gain in oven .Pump bellows to get forge hot enough. 7) shape it to ingot with hammer/or special tool 8) Use dousing bucket to temper and cool ingot. 9) Competed iron ingot! |
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Post by Dontremb on Jun 28, 2013 7:59:50 GMT -5
Yea, that's basically, or almost exactly what we want.
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Post by robogabe (robogman) on Jul 3, 2013 12:59:07 GMT -5
will there be new ores? if so, can i work on them? or are they aready made? and if so, can i make tools for them? and ingots and what not?
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Post by Dontremb on Jul 4, 2013 5:02:31 GMT -5
There will be new ores in Phase 2. We'll likely have most (if not all) ore, minerals, gems, stone, etc, that are in the real world.
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Post by robogabe (robogman) on Jul 4, 2013 14:20:59 GMT -5
oh, well i would just like to add something extra... if i could add something fake, or even real (in case of real, i would research it) i would like to, even if its just blocks that you can craft to save space, or as an extra building option, ill take it  |
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Post by Dontremb on Jul 4, 2013 17:21:29 GMT -5
Ok, why don't you start working on the recipes for the siege engines? We need a catapult and a balista.
They should be pretty expensive, and require many multiple steps and parts. (It should be a pretty large undertaking.)
It's going to take a bit of research, because we want it to be as realistic as we can (within the limitations that we have with phase 1.)
If you want, you can start planning that bit out. Let's make sure we all have the total recipe in agreement before you start coding it.
Oh, and be sure to make the posts in the Siege Weapons thread.
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